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Do you guys know about the Girsan Yavuz 16 or Bora models in 9mm.

How good are this guns??

they are from turquey

I purchased one example each of the Bora and of the Zirve pistols. I must say, I am impressed.

There is NO doubt that the family lineage is Beretta, but, these are REALLY cool pistols! On the Zirve, the hammer tucks flush into the slide, but, can be easily cocked with your thumb. The controls are typical Beretta. In a dark room, any Beretta user would have zero problems driving these pistols.

The fit and finish are good. I have not shot one yet, but, based on the fit and feel, I expect these to be excellent shooters!

To date, my particular examples are still in the original oil and wrap, unfired.  My FFL dealer purchased the same pair and reports that they shoot just as easily and well as expected.

Im very intrested in buying one, im going for the yavuz 16 compact or the Bora both in 9mm.

Can you make like a small review for me once you have shoot them both. Focusing on reliability, accuray and how good the feel in your hand.

I will apreciate it a lot.

if this guns doesnt convince me I think I going for a ruger P94 or something like that.

Also if you can mention to me how easy it is to carry them inside your pants.

Thanks a lot.

I have handled my FFL's examples extensively.  I would compare them directly to a Beretta 92FS.  The Bora may be more like the Beretta 92FS Compact with a slightly shorter barrel etc.  One obvious difference is that these models of the Girsan are 'closed' slides as compared to the open top slides of the genuine Beretta.  So, they sort of look like Beretta Cougars or Sig slides on 92 series frames with some differences in the hammers, etc.  Pretty cool pistols.  Seem to be very well made.  They certainly are not 'knock-off' junk.

These are so close to the Berettas that many of the parts interchange directly, including magazines.

I understand from discussions on berettaforum.net that the current availability of these pistols is extremely limted in the US.  I believe that Brad Taylor of the berettacollection.com, had purchased about every example of the Bora and Zirve originally imported by EAA.  The total count was about 20 of each model.  Of these, I have two, my FFL has two, and Brad kept a few for himself. 

Have you found a new stash?  :-)

 

Well the thing is that im not from the U.S and here in my country we have a dealer for Girsan so I can get the handguns very easy.

The same gunshop works with Ruger also as dealers so im confused about buying a girsan or a ruger P94 but the ruger is $250 more so I dont know if its worth it.

The Ruger P94 is a nice, steady pistol.  It is not a Beretta.  I paid just under $400 USD for each the Girsans and find them to be very nice. 

The Rugers are probably priced about the same around here.  For even money, I'd pick the Girsans just for the novelty, and enjoy the fine fit, finish, and feel of the pistol.

.02 YMMV

The girsan seems to be a great solid gun and the Bora model has like a bull barrel if I can say. Its bigger than the one on the yavuz 16 compact. They told me that the guns comes with a record of 30,000 rounds -i think its impossible to shoot that amount of rounds on a handgun un less you use it all your life shooting 200 rounds per month or more.

Are they easy to conceal carry?

 

As for "service life"...  I believe that the Girsan and Ruger will each provide much more life that most anyone would have reasonable need.

Recently, I have started to shoot USPSA matches.  Serious shooters, even at the local club level, will shoot 200-300 rounds minimum per courses of fire each weekend.  Often, they will shoot a second time around.  This means 400 to 500 rounds per week just in match shooting without practice or other playtime. 

The people I know who shoot Berettas will replace springs and locking blocks on a fairly regular basis, ie, 7000 to 10,000 rounds on the recoil spring, 20,000 rounds on the locking block.  There are people routinely getting 100+ thousand rounds before failure.  Replace the part, maybe even a $125 barrel, and you're good to go another 100,000 rounds.

I don't see 30,000 rounds as all that many, in the big scheme of things.  Especially when you compare the average price of 30,000 rounds of 9mm being approximately $6,000 (assuming $200 per thousand) to the purchase price of the pistol!

As for carry, these are not "small" concealed carry type pistols.  They are more in the mode of compact duty weapons.  That said, I carry a Beretta 92 Compact in a OWB holster very successfully.  Others carry IWB and are happy.  I find the biggest constraints to CCW is the overall length of the grip and the total weight of the setup.  A good holster and belt solves the weight issue.  Positioning the pistol comfortably at my 4 oclock with a decent cover garment solves the printing issue. 

Neither the P94 or the Girsans compare to a Kahr or other subcompact for strict concealed carry.  Then again, the P94 and the Girsans, in my view, are much more pleasant to shoot.  And, let's face it... fun shooting leads to far more practice, which leads to higher skill sets.

 

I think Ill go for the girsan and later on buy the new ruger LCP in 380 just for the hot days wearing pants. nice caliber and small handgun for CC.

About the Girsan, ive been thinking of the Bora vs. the yavuz 16 because of the bull barrel the Bora has but because ill be carring it sometimes I think the yavuz because of its size adapts better to my needs.

Can i still shoot or get hard on my yavuz????? with out having any problem and giving good care to the gun.

 

Do you prefer the Smith & Wesson M&P compact instead of the ruger p94 and the girsan yavuz 16 compact???

My sense of things is that the Bora and the Yavuz are equally robust pistols.  I would not worry about either of them.  Functionally, they are almost identical, with slighty shorter grip, barrel, and a shrouded hammer.  Otherwise, they are similarly built.

The M&P is a very nice weapon.  There are a couple of people I shoot with who have the M&P 9mm and are very happy with them.  But, I do not think that you can purchase a comparable M&P for the price of the Girsan.

Individual choice and preference is why there are so many manufacturers and models!  If possible, you should try to rent each of the final candidates at a local shooting range and give them a workout.  I would purchase the pistol that I shot best.  Period.