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OK, hold the phone.  After all the mishaps with Chinese trade for the last eight years, and political pressure from the domestic front to change the trade policies with COMMUNIST CHINA, can we, in all good conscience, allow this to happen?

Bite me, lets steal the technology, and make them here with our workers, or tariff the hell out of them.  I'm sorry, it may be a global economy, but it works if your country holds the cards.  Freeware is a double edged sword.  Philosophically its great but doesn't factor in greed and prejudice.

Something our rivals have plenty of against the United States......think it through.  We're a free enterprise economy, FREEWARE undermines this.  If it were freeware, it wouldn't be  $99.00.  God knows there is no tariff against China at this time.  That's just a human right challenged country taking advantage of slave labor and exploiting the greed of human nature, centralized in Eurpoe and the US.  Did Linus Torvalds (the creator of Unix, progenisis of Linux) envision his system to be used in this way?

In this context?

BS.  How about Prejudice?

Read Karl Marx, Mao.  Ask out Korean and Viet Nam HERO/veterans about Chinese prejudice?

Freedom aint free,folks, but sometimes its subtle in its errosion.

 

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"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses
both." --Dwight D. Eisenhower

prufrock77:

OK, hold the phone.  After all the mishaps with Chinese trade for the last eight years, and political pressure from the domestic front to change the trade policies with COMMUNIST CHINA, can we, in all good conscience, allow this to happen?

Bite me, lets steal the technology, and make them here with our workers, or tariff the hell out of them.  I'm sorry, it may be a global economy, but it works if your country holds the cards.  Freeware is a double edged sword.  Philosophically its great but doesn't factor in greed and prejudice.

Something our rivals have plenty of against the United States......think it through.  We're a free enterprise economy, FREEWARE undermines this.  If it were freeware, it wouldn't be  $99.00.  God knows there is no tariff against China at this time.  That's just a human right challenged country taking advantage of slave labor and exploiting the greed of human nature, centralized in Eurpoe and the US.  Did Linus Torvalds (the creator of Unix, progenisis of Linux) envision his system to be used in this way?

In this context?

BS.  How about Prejudice?

Read Karl Marx, Mao.  Ask out Korean and Viet Nam HERO/veterans about Chinese prejudice?

Freedom aint free,folks, but sometimes its subtle in its errosion.

 First of all, the 99$ is for the hardware. Freeware is software.
Secondly,  Linus Torvalds did not develop Unix, he developed Linux (hence the name).

Look at your PC. If it was made in this country, that would be a surprise. In the off chance that it is, open it up and look at the contents. I'd wager that they're all imported.

Very few electronic components are made in America. Believe me, I know. I used to work for a large electronics manufacturer.  When production was moved overseas, I went into software development. That lasted three years, then it was outsourced to India.

If you want a PC made of all US components, you better make an abacus in your workshop.

Linux is supported by donations only. Most work is done on a voluntary basis. If Microsoft didn't have a 28% profit margin and charge 5X what their product was worth, I'd see your point. Unfortunately, Linux is free, more stable, and faster. Why pay for an inferior product? Heck, even my browser is free (Firefox). So is my email program (Thunderbird). OpenOffice is free, too. Mickysoft Office is ~400$

Oh, I forgot to add that many of the developers of Open Source software are American!

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Ruger SP101
Bersa T380
S&W 65 .357
Stoeger Cougar 9
S&W M&P
Springfield Mil-Spec 1911
etc....

teknoid:

prufrock77:

OK, hold the phone.  After all the mishaps with Chinese trade for the last eight years, and political pressure from the domestic front to change the trade policies with COMMUNIST CHINA, can we, in all good conscience, allow this to happen?

Bite me, lets steal the technology, and make them here with our workers, or tariff the hell out of them.  I'm sorry, it may be a global economy, but it works if your country holds the cards.  Freeware is a double edged sword.  Philosophically its great but doesn't factor in greed and prejudice.

Something our rivals have plenty of against the United States......think it through.  We're a free enterprise economy, FREEWARE undermines this.  If it were freeware, it wouldn't be  $99.00.  God knows there is no tariff against China at this time.  That's just a human right challenged country taking advantage of slave labor and exploiting the greed of human nature, centralized in Eurpoe and the US.  Did Linus Torvalds (the creator of Unix, progenisis of Linux) envision his system to be used in this way?

In this context?

BS.  How about Prejudice?

Read Karl Marx, Mao.  Ask out Korean and Viet Nam HERO/veterans about Chinese prejudice?

Freedom aint free,folks, but sometimes its subtle in its errosion.

 First of all, the 99$ is for the hardware. Freeware is software.
Secondly,  Linus Torvalds did not develop Unix, he developed Linux (hence the name).

Look at your PC. If it was made in this country, that would be a surprise. In the off chance that it is, open it up and look at the contents. I'd wager that they're all imported.

Very few electronic components are made in America. Believe me, I know. I used to work for a large electronics manufacturer.  When production was moved overseas, I went into software development. That lasted three years, then it was outsourced to India.

If you want a PC made of all US components, you better make an abacus in your workshop.

Linux is supported by donations only. Most work is done on a voluntary basis. If Microsoft didn't have a 28% profit margin and charge 5X what their product was worth, I'd see your point. Unfortunately, Linux is free, more stable, and faster. Why pay for an inferior product? Heck, even my browser is free (Firefox). So is my email program (Thunderbird). OpenOffice is free, too. Mickysoft Office is ~400$

Oh, I forgot to add that many of the developers of Open Source software are American!

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"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses
both." --Dwight D. Eisenhower

It could be an evil plot by the Chinese to capture all of our personal information, especially American gun owners, so when they attempt to overthrow our country they already know where to come to pick up our gun(s).........or...........it could just be a kick-ass deal!?

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"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson

teknoid:

prufrock77:

OK, hold the phone.  After all the mishaps with Chinese trade for the last eight years, and political pressure from the domestic front to change the trade policies with COMMUNIST CHINA, can we, in all good conscience, allow this to happen?

Bite me, lets steal the technology, and make them here with our workers, or tariff the hell out of them.  I'm sorry, it may be a global economy, but it works if your country holds the cards.  Freeware is a double edged sword.  Philosophically its great but doesn't factor in greed and prejudice.

Something our rivals have plenty of against the United States......think it through.  We're a free enterprise economy, FREEWARE undermines this.  If it were freeware, it wouldn't be  $99.00.  God knows there is no tariff against China at this time.  That's just a human right challenged country taking advantage of slave labor and exploiting the greed of human nature, centralized in Eurpoe and the US.  Did Linus Torvalds (the creator of Unix, progenisis of Linux) envision his system to be used in this way?

In this context?

BS.  How about Prejudice?

Read Karl Marx, Mao.  Ask out Korean and Viet Nam HERO/veterans about Chinese prejudice?

Freedom aint free,folks, but sometimes its subtle in its errosion.

 First of all, the 99$ is for the hardware. Freeware is software.
Secondly,  Linus Torvalds did not develop Unix, he developed Linux (hence the name).

Look at your PC. If it was made in this country, that would be a surprise. In the off chance that it is, open it up and look at the contents. I'd wager that they're all imported.

Very few electronic components are made in America. Believe me, I know. I used to work for a large electronics manufacturer.  When production was moved overseas, I went into software development. That lasted three years, then it was outsourced to India.

If you want a PC made of all US components, you better make an abacus in your workshop.

Linux is supported by donations only. Most work is done on a voluntary basis. If Microsoft didn't have a 28% profit margin and charge 5X what their product was worth, I'd see your point. Unfortunately, Linux is free, more stable, and faster. Why pay for an inferior product? Heck, even my browser is free (Firefox). So is my email program (Thunderbird). OpenOffice is free, too. Mickysoft Office is ~400$

Oh, I forgot to add that many of the developers of Open Source software are American!

I was hoping for this .......

Historically, Linux, was the name given as a homage.   Read your history.  Read past wikipedia.  Torvalds, pre GNUproject,( I'm older here ace, I wrote my Masters in computer code), WISHED he wrote his code in  GNU.   Also, you say that the components were made in foriegn countries for my computer,   you are right, it is. Since the technology was advanced here, why is that a good thing?

You sound bitter?

Did you lose your job?

I'm Genuinely sorry if you did.  Really.

Could it be that the Linux experience is going horribly wrong?

Perhaps they forgot to take into account, human nature.  These developers, God bless them, and I mean that, DID NOT factor in greed to the eqaution.  The late sixties, early seventies were a blip on the Human evolutionary scale.  Time will tell, if the validity was anything like the late 18th century Europe and the Colonies(US and Australia), the 1920's Paris, or late 1941.  Microsoft was, despite the propganda, the Attila, the Caesar, of computer development.  Only the Cartheginians *** about that one.

This is not a computer argument.  I get enough of that dung from my lefty propellar head cousin.  This is a economic point of view. 

   Look,  Linux is GREAT.  A savior when DOS was king.   I'm not prepared to barter computer philosophy with a propeller head.  This is a gun board.  If you were in front of me I'd propably have my hand on the hilt and punch ya dead in the face.   And visa Versa. We PISS each other off! 

Perhaps, just perhaps, you'd just realize you lefty PH's got  screwed by your own FREE philosophy and got taken advantage of by others.  The irony is that it was a LEFTIST government, so my question is was did you smile taking it in the .......fill in the blank, ace.

I'm on a internet board for Pete's sake.  Linux, and Microsoft got me here.  Everyone lighten up.  Just please remember that our contributions are being taken advantage of by..others.  I'm so sick of this conversation.

 

 

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"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses
both." --Dwight D. Eisenhower

prufrock77:

teknoid:

prufrock77:

OK, hold the phone.  After all the mishaps with Chinese trade for the last eight years, and political pressure from the domestic front to change the trade policies with COMMUNIST CHINA, can we, in all good conscience, allow this to happen?

Bite me, lets steal the technology, and make them here with our workers, or tariff the hell out of them.  I'm sorry, it may be a global economy, but it works if your country holds the cards.  Freeware is a double edged sword.  Philosophically its great but doesn't factor in greed and prejudice.

Something our rivals have plenty of against the United States......think it through.  We're a free enterprise economy, FREEWARE undermines this.  If it were freeware, it wouldn't be  $99.00.  God knows there is no tariff against China at this time.  That's just a human right challenged country taking advantage of slave labor and exploiting the greed of human nature, centralized in Eurpoe and the US.  Did Linus Torvalds (the creator of Unix, progenisis of Linux) envision his system to be used in this way?

In this context?

BS.  How about Prejudice?

Read Karl Marx, Mao.  Ask out Korean and Viet Nam HERO/veterans about Chinese prejudice?

Freedom aint free,folks, but sometimes its subtle in its errosion.

 First of all, the 99$ is for the hardware. Freeware is software.
Secondly,  Linus Torvalds did not develop Unix, he developed Linux (hence the name).

Look at your PC. If it was made in this country, that would be a surprise. In the off chance that it is, open it up and look at the contents. I'd wager that they're all imported.

Very few electronic components are made in America. Believe me, I know. I used to work for a large electronics manufacturer.  When production was moved overseas, I went into software development. That lasted three years, then it was outsourced to India.

If you want a PC made of all US components, you better make an abacus in your workshop.

Linux is supported by donations only. Most work is done on a voluntary basis. If Microsoft didn't have a 28% profit margin and charge 5X what their product was worth, I'd see your point. Unfortunately, Linux is free, more stable, and faster. Why pay for an inferior product? Heck, even my browser is free (Firefox). So is my email program (Thunderbird). OpenOffice is free, too. Mickysoft Office is ~400$

Oh, I forgot to add that many of the developers of Open Source software are American!

I was hoping for this .......

Historically, Linux, was the name given as a homage.   Read your history.  Read past wikipedia.  Torvalds, pre GNUproject,( I'm older here ace, I wrote my Masters in computer code), WISHED he wrote his code in  GNU.   Also, you say that the components were made in foriegn countries for my computer,   you are right, it is. Since the technology was advanced here, why is that a good thing?

You sound bitter?

Did you lose your job?

I'm Genuinely sorry if you did.  Really.

Could it be that the Linux experience is going horribly wrong?

Perhaps they forgot to take into account, human nature.  These developers, God bless them, and I mean that, DID NOT factor in greed to the eqaution.  The late sixties, early seventies were a blip on the Human evolutionary scale.  Time will tell, if the validity was anything like the late 18th century Europe and the Colonies(US and Australia), the 1920's Paris, or late 1941.  Microsoft was, despite the propganda, the Attila, the Caesar, of computer development.  Only the Cartheginians *** about that one.

This is not a computer argument.  I get enough of that dung from my lefty propellar head cousin.  This is a economic point of view. 

   Look,  Linux is GREAT.  A savior when DOS was king.   I'm not prepared to barter computer philosophy with a propeller head.  This is a gun board.  If you were in front of me I'd propably have my hand on the hilt and punch ya dead in the face.   And visa Versa. We PISS each other off! 

Perhaps, just perhaps, you'd just realize you lefty PH's got  screwed by your own FREE philosophy and got taken advantage of by others.  The irony is that it was a LEFTIST government, so my question is was did you smile taking it in the .......fill in the blank, ace.

I'm on a internet board for Pete's sake.  Linux, and Microsoft got me here.  Everyone lighten up.  Just please remember that our contributions are being taken advantage of by..others.  I'm so sick of this conversation.

 

 

I'm old enough to remember writing code on punch cards, and my first computer didn't have a hard drive (they didn't exist). The "Old Man" shtick won't fly.

Linus Torvalds developed Linux, borrowing (very) heavily from Minix, written by Andrew Tanenbaum.
I know my history better than you think. Linux was licensed under GNU, and incorporated many of the tools (compiler, etc.).

Perhaps the problem lies with one important fact. Bill Gates is perhaps the richest guy on the planet. Linus Torvalds is not. Guess where Billy got his money. Hint: overpriced and bug-filled products...

I once ran a Linux box for 18 months without a reboot. If I hadn't moved, it would have been much longer. Try that with Windoze.

As for being "outsourced", yep I was. You know what they say about making lemonade, though.  I had a heavy hardware background, so I fix things for a living now. I don't think they can outsource that. Freelance web design makes up for the lost income. I've been doing that for the last ten years, and doing better than I did the previous thirty.

The open source project didn't "get us here", wherever "here" is. The sad fact of the matter is that darned near everything can be made cheaper overseas, and is. It sucks, but them's the facts and we have to deal with it.

BTW, I have a couple of measly BS's and a AA. Not exactly a PHD, but thanks for the props.

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Ruger SP101
Bersa T380
S&W 65 .357
Stoeger Cougar 9
S&W M&P
Springfield Mil-Spec 1911
etc....